Curse

SotiCoto · Aug 17, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Even the ones going into Arborstone to farm Wardens seem to do it...
I don't see how they manage in there with all the knockdowns (I made a special build for farming Warrior Wardens myself: a variation of the Mo/D SoJ with Fleeting Stability, though it isn't that good at taking down Wardens of Summer).... but they always seem to use the same class combination. Just a bunch of Mo/Me's running around.

So does anyone know what build they are using that seems to work for them there (and everywhere else)? I just can't figure it out.
I have pretty much two base build-concepts that I use with my 55 Monk: Mo/D with SoJ .... and Mo/N with SS or SV. The fact that they never seem to be using these but go with Mo/Me instead suggests that I'm missing something.... somehow.

What is the deal with Mo/Me?

onerabbit · Aug 17, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

cuz they dont have Nf.

+ they do it in normal mode, so KDs arnt so bad.

Funk ee Monk ee · Aug 17, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

I was wondering the same thing watching 1,000,000 mo/me bots run through Altrumm. I think it is because /me is the easiest secondary to get in Prophecies, walk out, talk to Lady Aveena (sp?), kill bull, viola you are /me. Go post, get run to LA, can be in K Center in no time.

The only other scenario I could figure out was using Sympathetic Visage (or Ancestor's Visage) to drain enemy's energy once aggro'd.

attackofthecold · Aug 17, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Eh its because they use arcane echo to echo shield of judgment and knock down + damage up 100% of the time, thus shutting down the rit healers there. Also because if you where a bot owner why waste money on nightfall ? I mean the others work just fine.

SotiCoto · Aug 18, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

.... That is a bit of a let-down. I figured they might be using some sort of useful build.

Honestly though, if they're not even farming Hard Mode then it doesn't matter all that much, and maybe being knocked down constantly wouldn't throw off their rhythm....

Oh well.

Age · Aug 19, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Like others said it is because of some of the skill they use Ancestor or Sympathetic Visage or Arcane Echo and Mantra of Resolve.Those would be the most possible skills from the Mesmer side.It is easy to get this way again like others said in pre just go and see Lady Althea after that you will be lvl 2 the time they leave to go to post.

When they get to LA or Droks they get their tats and insignias if they know the build good enough LA tats will do after all that they just jump over to Cantha and go get run around.It is not hard to get pwr lvled in KC either.

royal mercenary · Aug 19, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

those bots don t have proph!
they are simple factions bots...
why would they buy games to get banned if 1 is also enough

Age · Aug 19, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by royal mercenary

those bots don t have proph!
they are simple factions bots...
why would they buy games to get banned if 1 is also enough

They need Proph. to make farming Monk and they don't worry about getting banned to much as they are more than happy just to buy another cd key off Anet.I would say by looking at it that bots count as 30% of the sales of GW.I guess they are spreading themselves around like US real ones are.

strcpy · Aug 20, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

.Honestly though, if they're not even farming Hard Mode then it doesn't matter all that much, and maybe being knocked down constantly wouldn't throw off their rhythm....

Realize that they are only farming the first group or two at most. Nor does it really matter if they die a few times, all that matters is that they do not get stuck someplace that the bot quicks working.

For instance: select exit, move there until no movement, walk to the right 5 seconds (this makes sure you are out the door), cast PS and HB, walk forward 5 seconds, cast SOJ, cast PS and HB every 6 seconds, repeat last step for how ever many seconds SOJ is up (or repeat from SOJ forward for set number of time), press ";" and "space" a few times, zone, and repeat the whole thing.

Really, pretty simple - you will note that the places they are heavy in are easy to find the correct exit (thus you can get to the portal easily like I said above) and have a repeatable spawn of critters right outside the gate (and thus only need to walk in a specific direction for a set period of time). The bot programs do not use sophisticated image recognition where they move around, cast the appropriate spells and go to the next group (like a human does), they simply repeat a very simple pattern of button mashing.

If they die or something gets goofed up then they reset when they zone - you will note that if you die in the above algorithm then when you rezone everything gets reset. All that matters is that they do the above type of loop until their inventory is full and someone minding a large group of them comes over and merches everything, even if the drops are terrible the fact they can have 20 of the things going 24/7 means they accumulate gold quickly. They *may* merch the stuff themselves in there, I know I've used a few automated testing harnesses in the past that it would not have been that difficult to do. I've used a few that a talented testing engineer could write a very successful bot (which is effectively what we were doing, however being the developers we were using it to run automated tests, nor was it on a video game, I'm not that talented at testing software however).

Of course, they are generally only as sophisticated as they need to be. As I said, I've worked where we write some really complex bot type programs so the ability is out there. I rather suspect that most are somewhat more complex than my simple loop, outside of Bergin Hot Springs I do not know of any area that is *that* simple (and, where is probably the number one bot site out there?).

That is why anything that will ultimately hurt the bots will hurt us - there is nothing a human can do that a bot can not. In fact, to even begin to much of a dent in them you will have to have draconian measures (say, making you type in a fuzzed password every time you zone). The only thing to do is to flag accounts that repeatedly zone (the ones that used to trigger the anti-farming code) and have a human review them and that is a slow process compared to how quickly the bots can regroup.

MrSlayer · Aug 20, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Mesmer is the quickest secondary to get in Prophecies.

But back in the day of Elona Reach, most were Mo/W.

Ri3tN · Aug 20, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Mantra Of Resolve

nghwee · Aug 20, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Ri3tN

Mantra Of Resolve

Wow, never knew mantra of resolve prevents interrupts from being knocked down! Thanks very much!

Do you even know where is Arborstone? Not to mention what skills the mob uses?

More like with good pathing, the bots avoid the initial "None shall pass" KD while luring. And after in position for the 3 grps, AV/SV prevents any adrenaline buildup, and therefore KD from Devastating Hammer. Tried it myself, the usual arcane echo, SOJ, av+sv build.

SotiCoto · Aug 20, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

.... I'd still imagine the Mo/D with Fleeting Stability would work better though, right?

Stormlord Alex · Aug 20, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

I'd probably imagine it's for the Visages.
They solve all of the problems in one fell swoop - draining adrenaline to prevent KD, and draining the Rt's energy to stop 'em healing.

SotiCoto · Aug 20, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

I'd probably imagine it's for the Visages.
They solve all of the problems in one fell swoop - draining adrenaline to prevent KD, and draining the Rt's energy to stop 'em healing.

Ok.... if it can take out the Summers.... then I'm interested.
Think I could scrape together something like this to work in Hard Mode?

I don't imagine I could be bothered if it doesn't work in HM.

Funny thing is.... though I got plenty of golds in the past farming the warrior Wardens alone, I never got any gothic weapons.

ZenRgy · Aug 20, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I thought it was for [skill]Ancestor's Visage[/skill] and [skill]Sympathetic Visage[/skill], well that was in my 55 Warden farming build I was given anyway.

Ri3tN · Aug 20, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by nghwee

Wow, never knew mantra of resolve prevents interrupts from being knocked down! Thanks very much!

Do you even know where is Arborstone? Not to mention what skills the mob uses?

More like with good pathing, the bots avoid the initial "None shall pass" KD while luring. And after in position for the 3 grps, AV/SV prevents any adrenaline buildup, and therefore KD from Devastating Hammer. Tried it myself, the usual arcane echo, SOJ, av+sv build.

Is it really necessary to do that?

Really, I was just answering his initial question. WOW, I got it wrong! Good job for you! Seriously, I just try to answer his question, and you come along saying "Do you even know where is Arborstone?". Can we get a WTF. Sorry for not farming as much as you? I just figured that most bots would bring Mantra Of Resolve, not most bots in Arborstone.

rancidgoat · Aug 20, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

hmm..his name does resemble a bots name"nghwee". maybe the gold farming sites have made bots to troll forums and flame people questioning what bots do in an attempt to intimidate people, careful you may have a group of M/Me on you door step soon, but i guess they shouldnt be to hard to out run, they would have to stop at random street lights and telephone poles and then spin around in circles a few times to get there bearings.

Age · Aug 20, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

.... I'd still imagine the Mo/D with Fleeting Stability would work better though, right?

Nope as they would need to write a new program as for myself i don't have fleeting for my Monk only Mystic Regen.I would go back to Mo/W and use Balanced Stance as I did in the mission and didn't get one interrupt from all the falling debris.

Sadric · Aug 20, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

SoJ, Arcane Echo, SoA, Shielding Hands, Balthazar's Spirit, Prot Spirit, SV, AV

Worked for me in HM with alittle practice, you have to avoid the bleeding (getting KD'd in range of other groups spirits). After a few tries I cleared the first 3 groups which is I'm guessing what the bots do in NM. It really didnt seem worth it to me so I havent been back. Maybe my loot scaling was out of whack. I always assumed the bots were in HM until I read this thread, which is why I wasted my time trying to figure out the build.